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说话啊 埃丝特 Say something, Esther.
我爱你 I love you.
说点别的 Say something else.
不 No.
你不爱我 You don't love me.
不 我爱你 Yes, I do.
但是对你来说只有爱是不够的 But love's not enough for you.
性有其自身的规则 Sex has its own rules.
性只有一个规则 Sex only has one rule:
繁衍生息 procreation.
不 No...
请问您是玛丽修女吗 Are you Sister Mary?
不要叫我玛丽修女 Never call me Sister Mary.
叫我嬷嬷 Call me Ma'.
你长大了 安德鲁 但还和以前一样英俊 You've aged, Andrew, but you've kept your good looks.
您也老了 嬷嬷 但您可不如以前了 You've aged too, Ma, but you haven't.
我就应该砸开教堂门口的施舍箱的 I should have followed my instincts and broken open the alms box
然后用那些钱好好做个整容手术 and then spent all the money on a good plastic surgeon.
您难道就从来没后悔过当修女吗 You have ever regretted becoming a nun?
没有 如果我没有成为修女 No! If I hadn't become a nun,
我就不会有机会抚养我的两个宝贝儿子了 I never would have raised my two precious jewels:
你和莱尼 you and Lenny.
教宗是您的宝贝 而我只是个笨拙的传教士 The Pope is a jewel. I'm just a bungling missionary priest.
你们都是我的宝贝 安德鲁 而且你可是一位红衣主教 You're both jewels, Andrew. And besides, you're a cardinal.
对 这就意味着我无足轻重 什么也不是 Yeah. Which means nothing. Absolutely nothing.
但我们在这不是聊我的事的 嬷嬷 我们的教宗怎么样了 But we aren't here to talk about me, Ma. How's our pope?
就像在极乐天国 In seventh heaven!
嗯 的确在极乐天国 In seventh heaven, right.
我是说 谁能想到 I mean, who would ever imagined
莱尼会成为教宗 that Lenny would become pope!
我 Me.
我该走了 I should go now.
修女出现在红衣主教的房间 可不太好 It's never a good idea for a nun to be in a cardinal's room.
好吧 如果您见到教宗 请敦促他快点布道 Well, if you see our Pope, tell him to hurry up and give his address,
因为我还想回去好好工作 because I would like to get back to my good works.
或者是糟糕的工作 谁也说不清 Or bad ones, that remains to be seen.
你不喜欢这里吗 Don't you like it here?
这个地方香气四溢却充满死亡的气息 This place smells like incense and death.
比起这个我更喜欢臭烘烘的生命气息 I prefer the smell of shit and life.
看来你一点都没有变 You haven't changed at all, I see.
你呢 嬷嬷 And you, Ma?
你会改变吗 Will you change?
既然您已经有权有势了 Now that you've become a powerful woman?
-早上好 -早上好 -Good morning. -Good morning.
我不知道这是不是一个好主意 索菲娅 I don't know if it's a good idea, Sofia.
-恐怕时机还不够成熟 -不够成熟 主教大人 -I'm afraid it's premature. -Premature, Your Eminence?
开发升级产品都需要时间 The time it takes to develop and update the merchandise,
这意味着我们现在就该行动了 it means we have to move right away,
赶在赝品出现之前 before the fakes start appearing.
骗子们总是先人一步 谁知道他们是怎么做到的 The crooks are always so much faster, who knows how they do it.
犯罪组织的动作更快 Criminal organizations are faster
因为他们不容许效率低下 because they don't forgive inefficiency.
虽然听着有些物质 主教大人 At the risk of seeming too materialistic, Your Eminence,
你知道梵蒂冈的金库因为没有推销新教宗 do you know how much the Vatican coffers lose for every day
每天少赚多少钱吗 that passes without any new papal merchandizing on the market?
不大清楚 Not exactly.
现在您明白为什么我立刻就需要征得 Now do you understand why I need
圣父的同意了吧 the Holy Father's immediate approval?
是的 我明白了 但是你不了解他 Yes, I do. But you don't know him.
而且相信我 他可不是省油的灯 And believe me, he's not an easy one.
他是个心理复杂难以揣摩的人 He's a difficult, unpredictable man.
所以呢 我还是个心思缜密阴晴莫测的女人呢 So? I'm a difficult, unpredictable woman.
是啊 这就是我所担心的地方 True. Which is precisely why I'm worried.
这件事交给我吧 咱们走着瞧 一定能成 Let me handle it. You'll see, it'll go fine.
-帮帮我们吧 皮皮塔 -皮皮塔是哪位圣人 -Help us, Pipita. -Who's Saint Pipita?
他不是个圣人 他只不过是那不勒斯队的中锋 He's not a saint, he's the center forward for Napoli.
笑话真冷 What a lame joke.
我看您的幽默感和您的乐观都一并消失了 I see you've lost your optimism along with your sense of humor.
幽默感对于教务大臣来说是无用的 Sense of humor is irrelevant for the Secretary of State.
我也能吸烟吗 圣父 May I smoke as well, Holy Father?
很遗憾 不行 Unfortunately not.
圣座约翰保罗二世在其任职期间明令禁止了 His Holiness John Paul II, in his day, forbid it.
我能告诉您一件事吗 圣父 May I tell you something, Holy Father?
-这正是我们在此会面的原因 -恕我直言 -That's why we're here. -With all due respect,
从近距离观察 您真是位极其英俊的男士 seen from up close, you are an extraordinarily handsome man.
我之前要求的是在见其他人之前先和圣职长会面 I had asked to meet the Prefect for the Congregation for the Clergy
而您 我可以肯定地推断 before anyone else, and you, I think it's safe to deduce,
您不是圣职长 are not the Prefect for the Congregation for the Clergy.
不 但我倒是很想当 No, but I would like to be.
我也是 但他们却让我当了教宗 So would I. But they made me Pope, instead.
我负责梵蒂冈城的市场营销 I'm in charge of marketing here in Vatican City.
请问您是在大学主修市场营销吗 Did you study marketing in college?
确切的说 是哈佛大学 At Harvard, to be precise.
别这么自大 Don't sound so cocky.
乍一听哈佛这个词可能会让人刮目相看 The word "Harvard" may impress people around here,
但是对美国人来说 它只意味着衰退 but to an American, it means one thing only: decline.
你知不知道曾经有位来自波士顿的大主教 Did you know that when the Archbishop of Boston
拜访了哈佛大学后 would visit Harvard,
对身边的人扬言说他再也不会去洗脚了 he'd boast to everyone that he never washed his feet?
众所周知 在复活节那天的濯足礼上 It was public knowledge, and at Easter, at the washing of the feet,
源于耶稣在最后的晚餐时给其12门徒洗脚
最初的仪式为较高级的神职人员为较低级的神职人员洗脚
所有人都在担心这位来自波士顿的大主教 everyone was terrified that the Archbishop of Boston
可能会被选中 might be chosen.
我刚成为他的上级 就给他写了三封信 As soon as I became his superior, I sent him three envelopes.
第一封信是要把他调度到阿拉斯加去 In the first was a letter transferring him to Alaska,
第二份信里我放了些肥皂 in the second was some soap,
在第三个封信里我给他写了张小纸条上面写着 选择吧 and in the third a note card on which I'd written: "choose".
他选了什么 And what did he choose?
-肥皂 -我想也是 -The soap. -I imagined.
对的 但是你绝对想象不到 Right. But what you couldn't possibly have imagined
我寄给他的第四封信 was the fourth letter I sent him.
绝妙的选择 大主教 我写道 "Excellent choice, Archbishop", I wrote.
您在阿拉斯加可会见到很多水 "You'll find plenty of water in Alaska."
意即那位大主教已被调到阿拉斯加
这真是一个极具启发性的轶事 圣父 A most edifying anecdote, Holy Father.
但是我不想在这里浪费您的时间 But I don't want to waste your time,
所以我就打开天窗说亮话了 so let me come right to the point of my visit.
-请 -如您所知 圣座 -Please. -As you know, Your Holiness,
梵蒂冈在生产任何商品时 the Vatican holds a monopoly
都有着绝对垄断权 on the production of any and all merchandise
并且上面都印有教宗的照片 with an image of the Pope on it.
如今教宗换任 这就要求我们设计出新的样式 Today's papal turnover requires us to come up with new designs,
以便尽快投入生产 which we will then need to get into production as quickly as possible.
所有的物品表面都会印上圣父的肖像画 All those items with the Holy Father's picture on them,
信徒们就喜欢这些东西 which the faithful just love
还能弥补梵蒂冈预算费中相当大的一部分 and which make up a sizable slice of the Vatican budget.
我能理解 请继续说 I see. Go on.
到时候需要的仅仅是一次简单的拍照 What would be required then is a brief photo shoot,
然后我们就会尽快投入生产 which will then enable us to get into production as soon as possible
一系列印有圣座肖像的东西 a series of items displaying Your Holiness's picture:
钥匙链 明信片 烟灰缸 打火机 图片卡 盘子 key chains, postcards, ashtrays, lighters, picture cards, plates...
-盘子 -是的 圣父 当然也包括盘子 Plates? -Yes, of course, Holy Father, plates too.
除了那些卖五欧元的普通的塑料盘子 In addition to the usual plastic plates, which sell for five euro,
我们还在考虑制作一些更精美的东西 we were thinking of something more refined.
我们突然想到可以委托艾特里的坎帕尼亚区 It occurred to us that we might commission a special plate
生产一种特殊的盘子 from Vietri, in Campania.
那儿的工匠能能制作出最巧夺天工的装饰品 The craftsmen there do the most marvelous decorations,
所以我们很自然地想到了去制作一种正中心印有您的肖像的 so naturally we were thinking of creating a plate with your portrait
由顶级的艾特里工匠绘制的盘子 right in the center, painted by the very best Vietri's craftsmen.
听起来不错 你们打算以什么价格出售呢 Nice. And how much would it sell for?
45欧元吧 至少是 Forty-five euro, at least.
嗯 很合理 Ah, a reasonable price.
我想说的是 我们讨论的是一种工艺 I would say so, considering that we're talking about
圣父 手工制作 a craftsmanship, Holy Father, handmade,
不是那些廉价的工厂货能比的 not some cheap factory production.
也许我们应该给每位国家元首都赠送一个 Perhaps we could send one to all the heads of State.
主教大人 这个想法堪称完美 An excellent idea, Your Eminence.
好 很好 Good, very good.
很好 Very good.
-很好 很好 -是的 非常好 -Good. -Very good. -Yes, very, very good.
-非常非常好 -很好 -Very, very good. -Good.
请稍等 我马上回来 Wait a minute. I'll be right back.
好的 Good.
他去哪儿了 Where did he go?
拿枪去了吧 我想 To get a gun, I imagine.
怎么可能 我们谈的很好啊 Come on! It went fine.
这位小姐 你看到这个盘子了吗 Do you see this plate, ma'am?
是的 我当然看到了 Yes... of course I see it.
很好 Good.
这种才是我准备授权的商品 This is the sort of merchandise I'm prepared to authorize.
但是在这上面并没有您的肖像啊 But it doesn't have your image on it!
我的小姐 我没有形象 因为我不存在 I do not have an image, my good lady, because I am no one.
你能理解吗 不存在 Do you understand? No one.
只有基督是存在的 Only Christ exists.
只有基督 Only Christ.
而且我也不值四十五 甚至五欧元 And I'm not worth forty-five, or even five euros.
我什么都不值 I am worth nothing.
圣父 我不懂了 I don't understand, Holy Father.
你当然不懂 Of course you don't,
因为 像你之前说的 你在哈佛大学学习过 because, as you said earlier, you studied at Harvard.
哈佛大学是一个衰落的地方 And Harvard is a place in decline,
在那里你们学会放低自我 where you were taught to lower yourselves.
但是在这里 在梵蒂冈 我们都在设法抬高自我 Whereas here, in the Vatican, we try to elevate ourselves.
实际上谁在管理着教宗的形象呢 Who exactly is in charge of curating the image of the Pope?
教务大臣把这个如履薄冰的任务交付于我 The Secretary of State entrusted that delicate task to me,
已有两年了 圣父 Holy Father, two years ago.
很好 现在我要告诉你 作为教宗形象的管理者 Very good. And now I'm going to tell you what you,
你应该做些什么 as curator of the image of the Holy Father, are gonna do.
你要立即解雇梵蒂冈的官方摄影师 You are gonna fire the Vatican's official photographer immediately.
教宗的照片不会被发布 No photographs of the Pope are to be issued.
我还是红衣主教或主教时 就没有照片 Just as there were none when I was a cardinal or a bishop.
你知道为什么吗 我从来不允许别人给我拍照 Do you know why? I never allowed my picture to be taken.
如果有人设法偷拍了我 And when someone manage to sneak a photograph of me,
我总会在他们把照片发布之前把照片买下来 I always bought them up before they could be published.
如今想来 Now that I think about it,
我一生都在被训练成为一个隐形的教宗 I've been training my whole life to be an invisible pope.
而且因此 我的第一次演说 你将会发现 And so, for my first address, you will see to it
光线如此暗淡 没有摄影师 that the light is so dim, no photographer,
没有电视录像师 即使是那些信徒 no TV cameraman, and not even the faithful
也只能看到一片阴影 我的剪影 will see anything of me but a dark shadow, my silhouette.
他们不会看到我 因我本不存在 They will not see me because I do not exist.
圣父 冒昧的说一句 您现在的提议 If I may, Holy Father, what you are proposing
和自杀没有区别 一种媒体自杀 is nothing short of suicide, media suicide.
媒体自杀 你这么想 Media suicide, you say?
很好 现在试着跟随我的思维 如果你能做到的话 Fine, now try to keep up with me, if you can.
-圣父 我跟上您了 -很好 -I'm right with you, Holy Father. -Good.
好的 所以 在过去二十年里最重要的作家是谁 Ok, so, who is the most important author of the last twenty years?
仔细想想 不是最杰出的 精湛的写作技巧只是是为了满足傲慢天性 Careful now, not the best, virtuosity is for the arrogant,
是最重要的 那位闪现出了病态般的好奇心 the most important, the author who has sparked
致使他成了最重要的作家的那个 so much morbid curiosity that he became the most important?
我不知道 我猜 菲利普·罗斯 I wouldn't know. I'd say... Philip Roth.
不 是塞林格 No. Salinger.
最重要的电影导演是谁 The most important film director?
-斯皮尔伯格 -不 是库布里克 -Spielberg. -No. Kubrick.
当代艺术家呢 Contemporary artist?
杰夫·昆斯 或者玛丽娜·阿布拉莫维奇 Jeff Koons. Or Marina Abramovic.
班克西 电子音乐组合 Banksy. Electronic music group?
我对电子音乐一窍不通 I don't know the first thing about electronic music.
是你说的哈佛什么都教 无论如何 是傻朋克 You say Harvard is a good university! Anyway, Daft Punk.
最优秀的意大利女歌唱家是谁 The best Italian female vocalist?
-米娜 -回答正确 -Mina? -Very good!
现在你了解个中缘由了 Now do you know what it is,
是看不见的红线将他们连在一起 what the invisible red thread is that connects them all,
这些在各自的领域中最重要的人 all these most important figures in their respective fields?
从不让人看到自己 None of them let themselves be seen.
也从不拍照 None of them let themselves be photographed.
但是 圣父 您不是艺术家 您是一国元首啊 But you're not an artist, Holy Father. You are a head of State.
是的 这个城邦国家是如此的小 连出海口都没有 Yes, of a city state so small that it has no outlet to the sea,
为了生存 它的领导者不得不把自己塑造成 and in order to survive, its leader has to make himself
摇滚明星那样可望而不可即的形象 as unreachable as a rock star.
多谢这浮夸的手法 梵蒂冈幸存了 The Vatican survives thanks to hyperbole.
所以 我们应该适度夸张 但是这次我们应该反过来想 So we, we shall generate hyperbole, but this time in reverse.
圣父 我开始明白您的意思了 I'm beginning to get your point, Holy Father.
我不但开始明白您的想法 而且开始喜欢它了 Yes, not only am I beginning to get it, I'm beginning to like it, too.
很好 Good, very good.
童年 Childhood?
他的父母都是嬉皮士 His parents, both hippies,
把他遗弃在孤儿院 给了玛丽修女假名字 abandon him at an orphanage, and they give fake names to Sister Mary
这使莱尼不可能找到他们 making it impossible for Lenny to find them.
玛丽修女的孤儿院依附于红衣主教斯潘塞的大学 Sister Mary's orphanage has ties to Cardinal Spencer's university.
斯潘塞那时候在纽约 Spencer at that time was in New York.
在所有孤儿中 Of all her little orphans,
她唯一推荐给他的孩子就是莱尼 the only one she recommends to him was Lenny.
一家英国报纸发布了独家新闻 A British newspaper got the scoop
标题就叫“吸烟的教宗” with the headline "The Pope smokes".
这也是全世界的普遍反应 And this is how the world responded.
从斯宾塞这个角度想 At Spencer's side we're familiar
我们就很能理解他教会生涯的走向了 with the direction his career takes.
从斯宾塞被召到教廷起 莱尼就一直继承着他的衣钵 Lenny succeeds him when Spencer is called to the Curia.
年纪轻轻就接管了纽约的整个宗教区 Very young, he takes over the entire Archdiocese of New York.
42岁就成为了红衣主教 He is a cardinal at the age of 42.
但如果莱尼这么唯唯诺诺索然无趣 But if Lenny was so submissive, so dull...
斯宾塞又为什么如此偏爱他呢 why did Spencer favor him so much?
恰恰是因为他不会威胁到斯宾塞那漫无边际的自负心理 Precisely because he never threatened Spencer's boundless ego.
况且 斯宾塞一向都喜欢对他卑躬屈膝的下属 And besides, Spencer has always preferred servile underlings.
但现在 该由他来侍奉那个小男孩了 But now, he's the one who has to serve that little boy.
-莱尼的品行如何 -无可指摘 -Lenny's moral conduct? -Irreproachable.
没有绯闻 甚至连对他的暗讽都没有 No gossip, no insinuations even.
没有桃色事件 什么都没有 No love affairs. Nothing.
-性取向呢 -未知 -Sexual orientation? -Unknown.
那你觉得他的性取向是什么 And what do you think his sexual orientation is?
没有性取向 None.
他只关心教会的事 He only cares about the Church.
而教会就是个女人 And the Church is female.
亲爱的教宗 我要怎么做才能信奉上帝呢 "Dear Pope, what do I have to do to believe in God?"
汤米 阿马里洛 德克萨斯州 Tommy, Amarillo, Texas".
我想让你给所有孩子们写回信 I want you to write back to all the children.
当然可以 圣父 Of course, Holy Father.
那你会如何答复这个孩子呢 主教大人 And how would you respond to this child, Eminence?
-我 -你会在回信里写 -I... -You'd write back and say:
亲爱的汤米 想想所有你喜欢的东西吧 "Dear Tommy, think of all the things you like."
那就是上帝所在 There, that's what God is".
我早就知道 这里有老鼠 I knew it, there are mice in here.
这不是老鼠 That's no mouse.
这是澳大利亚外交部长送来的礼物 圣父 A gift from the Australian Foreign Minister, Holy Father.
我们认为应当捐献给生物公园 We thought we would donate it to the bio park.
-"生物公园" -就是动物园 -What do you mean "bio park"? -The zoo.
绝对不行 Not on your life.
你可以出来了 小可爱 You can come out, sweetie.
我们把他放归到花园里 We'll set him free in the gardens.
你还打算这么跟着我到什么时候 Do you intend to follow me even in my more private moments?
我没在跟着你 我也是在享受与自然谈心的过程 I wasn't following you. I too enjoy communing with nature.
那你都听到了什么 Well, what do you know?
仅仅一天时间 我们就已经发现了 Just one day, and we've already discovered
我们之间的共同点 we have something in common.
-别跟我开玩笑了 -我无比严肃 -Don't be funny with me. -I've never been more serious.
且对教宗充满忧虑 And worried. About the Pope.
教宗是位圣人 还是让他来忧虑忧虑你吧 The Pope is a saint. Let him be the one to worry about you.
是 我听说他和袋鼠聊天 一位来自悉尼的大圣人 Yes, I've been told he chats with kangaroos, a San Francis of Sydney.
他不是普通的好人 By "saint" I don't mean "a good man".
我的意思是 他真是一位圣人 I mean he's literally a saint.
在如何谦逊待人这件事上 你和圣父应该有的聊 The Holy Father and you would do well to be a little more humble.
梵蒂冈是一个国家 The Vatican is a State.
它也有自己的政治 经济 There is politics, finances,
和微妙的平衡 there are delicate balances
如果平衡打破 就会有巨大的危险 and grave dangers, if those balances are upset.
是的 但是这里也有演说 Yes, but there are also lobbies,
有内部压力 丑闻 仇杀和威胁 internal tensions, scandals, vendettas, and threats.
而圣父心里也对这些一清二楚 All of this the Holy Father understands only too well.
他如此顽固地拒绝在公共场合现身 实在是难以理解 His bizarre refusal to show himself in public is just crazy.
现在就将他暴露在世界面前 To reveal his eyes, right now,
也许太早了 太早了 maybe too much, too much for the world.
-恐怕我无法苟同 -将来某一天 你会的 -I'm afraid I don't follow you. -You will, one day.
无论如何 请你放心 At any rate, let me reassure you that we intend to tackle
我们会解决你所提出的忧患 一个一个来 all the concerns that you have raised, one by one.
我们 哪个我们 你和教宗 We? Who's we? You and the Pope?
难道现在有两位教宗了吗 Do we have two popes now?
我们也打算解决一下教务大臣的问题 We also intended tackle the question of the Secretary of State.
你能来真好 修女玛丽 It's a good thing you've come, Sister Mary,
我本来都开始厌倦了 I was getting bored.
我必须承认 你是一位一流的对手 I must admit, you're a first-class adversary.
这是我为他准备的布道稿 At any rate, here is the address I wrote for him.
是我连夜写出来的 I worked on it all night long.
写的很不错 布局匀称 文风稳重 It's a good address. It's well balanced, prudent,
也能从许多不同的角度考虑问题 and takes account of various positions.
换句话说 这就是外交 It's diplomatic, in other words.
你还没有意识到教宗对外交事业漠不关心吗 Haven't you realized the Pope is indifferent to diplomacy?
是的 而这样是不对的 Yes, and wrongly so.
我们这个国家很特殊 We are an anomalous State,
外交是我们的全部 and diplomacy is the only thing we have,
而不是零星几处建筑和几件艺术品 other than a handful of buildings and some works of art.
让我再说一遍 这是一篇好文章 Let me say again, it's a good address.
我对它倾注了我全部的心血与激情 I have infused it with all my the commitment, all my passion.
-你见过杜索里埃了吗 -呃 还没有 -Have you already seen Dussolier? -Ehm... no. Not yet.
对你的第一次布道有什么想法了吗 Do you have any ideas for your first address?
因为你还可以向斯宾塞讨教一下 Because you could ask Spencer for advice.
我不需要他的建议 I don't need Spencer's advice.
今天那件事 和袋鼠 That incident today, with the kangaroo was...
别说了 没什么 Stop it. It was nothing.
-只是偶然 -好吧 只是偶然 -Just chance. -Okay, just chance.
-可当时我们是在 -别说了 -And that time when we were... -Stop it.
晚安 主教大人 Good evening, Eminence.
晚安 Good evening.
喂 Yes?
真的吗 Really?
那么你怎么样 So, how are you?
我得告诉你 希古恩走了大运 I have to tell you a wonderful thing that happened to Higuain.
我虔诚的信徒们啊 我为我的迟来而抱歉 My dear faithful ones, I'm sorry I'm late.
观众笑 Laughter from the audience.
但我还是前来于此 But here I am.
往这看 Look at me.
不过不要看我 请向上看 Only don't look at me. Look up.
教宗指着天空和星星 The Pope points to the sky and the stars.
你们看见天空了吗 Do you see the sky?
你们看见主了吗 没有吗 Do you see God? No?
你们没看见吗 You don't see Him?
没关系 No matter.
现在看看你身边那个人 Now look at the person next to you.
满怀喜悦地看着他 并铭记圣奥古斯丁的话 Look joyfully upon him, and remember what Saint Augustine said:
你若寻求他 "If you want to see God,"
就必寻见 you have the means to do it.
主便是爱 "God is love."
谢谢你 修女玛丽 Thank you, Sister Mary.
所以 我终于能见到 So, I finally get to meet
圣职长了 the Prefect for the Congregation for the Clergy.
我一直很紧张与您的会面 I've been anxious to see you.
我来了 圣父 Here I am, Holy Father.
您在教宗选举时为我投票了吗 大人 Did you vote for me in the Conclave, Your Eminence?
从未投过 Not even once.
为什么 Why not?
即使我对您的思想一无所知 Even though I don't know your ideas,
实际上 所有人都一无所知 in truth, no one does,
但您是斯宾塞主教的学生 you are a pupil of Cardinal Spencer.
斯宾塞主教是一个保守的人 很温和 Cardinal Spencer is a conservative, a moderate one,
但无论如何都太保守了 but a conservative nonetheless.
我并不保守 I am not a conservative.
我猜您可能也是一个保守的人 I figured that you were probably a conservative as well.
您是吗 圣父 Are you, Holy Father?
您觉得呢 What do you think?
我认为如果您选择的这个名字 庇护十三世 I think that if the name you have chosen, Pius XIII,
是意在标志庇护十二世的延续 is intended to signal a continuity with Pius XII,
那我的担忧也不是没有理由了 then there is the reason for concern.
我们别忘了 Let's not forget that Pius XI considered Mussolini
庇护十一世还把墨索里尼当作神的旨意呢 to be a man of divine providence.
无论怎么说 红衣主教团都是过于鲁莽地 At any rate, the College of Cardinals was very rash
选择了一位对其思想定位都不甚了解的教宗 to elect a pontiff whose ideas and orientation they did not know.
我同意 I agree with you.
太鲁莽了 It was rash.
无论如何 圣父 请不要以为我是在批判您 At any rate, Holy Father, please do not take this as a criticism,
或是对您不忠 or think that this will in any way dampen my obedience.
您问了我一个问题 You asked me a question
我认为诚实地回答是我的责任 I considered it my duty to respond truthfully.
我感谢你的真诚 I appreciate your sincerity.
我要再问你一个问题 I'm going to ask you another question,
而你要继续诚实地回答 and you will grant me the courtesy of another sincere answer.
当然 圣父 Of course, Holy Father.
你是同性恋者吗 主教？ Are you homosexual, Your Eminence?
是的 圣父 Yes, Holy Father.
该吃点心了 圣父 Time for your snack, Holy Father.
-点心? -是的 圣父 您的点心 -My snack? -Yes, Holy Father, your snack.
也是 她习惯说点心 Right, that's what she calls it.
我现在要吃点心了 I have to have my snack now.
再见 主教大人 Goodbye, Your Eminence.
我看到修女玛丽从杜索里埃主教的房间里出来了 I saw Sister Mary coming out of Cardinal Dussolier's room.
还有呢 What else?
人们都说真正的教宗是修女玛丽 而不是你 People are saying that Sister Mary is the real Pope, not you.
说这话的是谁 Who's saying that?
奥佐林斯主教 Cardinal Ozolins.
他听到有流言说 He's heard it said that Sister Mary
修女玛丽以“我们”来称呼教宗 uses "we" when she talks about the Pope.
我们该这样 我们要那样 "We will do, we will tackle..."
我偶然间听到他和梵蒂冈教务大臣聊天的时候说你是 I overheard him talking to the Vatican Secretary of State:
长不大的莱尼小宝宝 "Lenny semper puer", he said.
那么梵蒂冈教务大臣是什么反应 And how did the Vatican Secretary of State react?
他没理会 那人可是个聪明的恶魔 He was impassive. He's a clever devil, that one.
但是奥佐林斯说的不是事实 But it's a lie, what Ozolins says.
是赤裸裸的谎言 It is a lie.
不是吗 圣父 Isn't it, Holy Father?
当然是谎言 Of course it's a lie.
一个女人永远都不能当教宗 A woman will never become the pope.
我才是教宗 I am the Pope.
早上好 帕坦夫人 Good morning, Mrs. Patanè.
早上好 奥佐林斯主教 Good morning, Cardinal Ozolins.
办公室都要散架子了 我真是受够了 This office is falling apart, I'm quite fed up.
帮我一下 帕坦夫人 Give me a hand, Mrs. Patanè.
我得说多少遍这门该修了 How many times have I said it needs to be renovated?
你终于来了 真是愉快 Ah, here you are. What alacrity.
在这说话的时候必须得提高音量 It's enough to raise one's voice around here
才能解决问题 for things to get resolved.
这门打不开了 The door won't open.
门 我要钥匙 The door, the key.
阿吉雷 Aguirre!
我该如何感谢您 圣父 How can I thank you, Holy Father,
居然把梵蒂冈博物馆委托于我 for having entrusted the Vatican Museums to me?
不必谢我 There's no need to thank me.
你的牧师之路是如何开始的 主教大人? What made you enter the Church, Your Eminence?
人生实为短暂 因此我决意追随永恒 Life is so short. I decided to opt for eternity.
你是在成人以后才变成了信徒的吗 Did you receive your calling as an adult?
不是的 我听到主的呼召 No, I heard the call.
是十六岁的时候 就在这里 Right here, when I was sixteen.
就在这里 Right here,
五月的下午降临的地方 where May afternoons land.
那道光对我说 That light spoke to me and said:
平静下来 伯纳多 平静下来 "Be calm, Bernardo, be calm."
一个男孩就这样变成了男人 The boy had become a man.
我母亲 我父亲都在这里陪着我 My mother, my father, they were here with me.
他们看着我 但是他们已不再是他们自己 They looked at me, but they were no longer themselves.
我也不是从前的那个我了 I was no longer myself.
下午的时光驻足何处? "Where do afternoons land?"
良知的声音问我 the voice of conscience asked.
他们驻足于此 我答道 "They land here", I replied.
那声音平静的回我说 And the voice responded calmly,
没错 就是这样 "Yes, it's true,"
但是我会继续保护这个男孩的 "but I will continue to protect the boy."
我们遗忘了什么? What have we forgotten?
我们遗忘了 We have forgotten...
我们遗忘了什么 What have we forgotten?
我们遗忘了 我们遗忘了 We have forgotten... We have forgotten...
我们遗忘了什么 What have we forgotten?
我们遗忘了 We have forgotten...
教宗第一次演讲提要
梵蒂冈教务大臣 安吉罗·沃伊洛
作者
您怎么看 圣父 What do you think, Holy Father?
我觉得写的很美 充满了 I thought it was beautiful, I thought it was full...
我问你的意见了吗 修女玛丽 Did I ask your opinion, Sister Mary?
什么 没有 我就是觉得 What? No, I just thought...
那就保持安静 Keep quiet then.
你的演讲写的真的很美 主教大人 Your address is really beautiful, Your Eminence.
平衡 但是是一种爱的平衡 Balanced, yes, but a balance of love.
那就是丰满而决绝的爱应有的样子 Which is exactly what love should be when it is full and resolved.
而我 从来都不知道爱究竟是什么 I, on the other hand, have never truly known what love is.
我没有过自己的人生 I have never really lived.
但是我来对了地方 But I've come to the right place, though:
一个充斥着未曾真正活过的迷失灵魂的城邦国家 a city state filled with lost souls who have never really lived.
修女玛丽呢 Sister Mary?
修女玛丽想在自己的房间吃饭 Sister Mary preferred to dine in her apartment this evening.
你之前想对我说什么 What is it you wanted to say to me?
您决定好演说的内容了吗 What have you decided about your address?
我已经想好了其中的一些要点 I've got some very clear ideas about it.
您觉得教务大臣之前写的那份有可取之处吗 Do you think you might use some of what the Secretary of State wrote?
没有 No.
那篇太无力了 It's rather weak.
我觉得他写的很好 可惜了 莱尼 I thought it was beautiful. What a shame, Lenny!
-修女玛丽 -是 莱尼 -Sister Mary. -Yes, Lenny.
从今以后 你要称呼我为圣座 From now on, you are to call me Your Holiness.
如您所愿 圣座 As you wish, Your Holiness.
我现在想起来我之前想对你说的话了 I remembered now what it was I wanted to say to you.
是什么 What?
你可以告诉所有人 You can let everyone know...
在明晚九点 that tomorrow evening, at 9:00 p.m.,
教宗庇护十三世将出现在圣彼得广场教堂的阳台上 Pope Pius XIII will appear on the balcony of Saint Peter's Basilica
进行他即位后的首次演说 and deliver his first official address.
我爱你 迈克尔 I love you, Michael.
你叫我来见你 我很高兴 I'm so happy you asked me to come see you.
我迫不及待地想跟你说话 迈克尔 I couldn't wait to talk with you, Michael,
为了感谢你 to thank you,
为了告诉你 我能取得我今天的成就都是因为你 and to tell you I owe it all to you that I've gotten this far.
你告诉我生活的真谛 你教导我神学的奥妙 You taught me about life, you taught me about Theology.
成为教宗的人本应是我 I was supposed to be pope.
我知道 但是那是你自己的失误 I know. But that was your mistake.
你本可拒绝沃伊洛提出的交易 You could have refused the deal Voiello offered you:
为了选举而背叛我 to betray me in exchange for the election.
你在说什么 没人跟我谈过什么交易 What are you talking about? No one ever offered me a deal.
你这个骗子 You liar!
但我也不期望你的回报 你不懂得如何去爱 But I don't expect anything from you. You don't know how to love.
别那么说我 别这样 Don't talk to me like that. Please.
如果你觉得你现在成了教宗 我就会对你另眼相看了 If you think I'm gonna talk to you differently now that you're Pope,
我告诉你 莱尼 那是不可能的 let me tell you something, Lenny, that's never going to happen.
-绝不可能 -别这样说 太伤人了 -Never! -Don't talk to me like that, you're hurting me.
我伤害你 你毁了我的人生 I'm hurting you? You ruined my life.
我的生活不会再有任何意义了 You destroyed any sense of destiny in my life.
我和阿森特谈过了 So I spoke with Assente.
他向我坦白了 他是同性恋 He confessed to being gay.
由一个同性恋者去带领负责训导神父的圣会 It's unacceptable that a homosexual heads
是不可接受的 他被开除了 the congregation that trains priests. He's out.
-一派胡言 -我希望由你来接替他 -That's nuts. -I want you to take his place.
我们可以每天一起工作 We'll work together side by side, every day.
你也可以继续教导我 就像你一直以来所做的一样 You can continue to mentor me, just like you've always done.
你疯了 Are you crazy?
人们会说你只是在帮助你的朋友 People will say you are just doing a favor for a friend.
你把我当什么了 Who have you taken me for?
你真的觉得我会接受你的施舍吗 Did you really think I'd accept your charity?
施舍 我没法让你成为教宗 迈克尔 Charity? I don't have the power to make you pope, Michael.
你是可以让我成为教宗的 It's not true that you don't have the power to make me pope. You do.
-怎么可能 -弃权 -What? -Resign.
这样我就可以在下次的选举中获胜 I'll win in the next Conclave.
我可不确定 I wouldn't be so sure.
选举是不可预测的 The Conclave is mysterious.
你懂什么 你还嫩得很 You don't know a shit! You're just the blue-eyed kid.
所谓选举不过是个玩弄权术的地方 The Conclave is merely a place where games get played.
你不配参与其中 Games in which you were never included.
你这样讲只是为了打击我 -我这样讲 You're just saying that to hurt me. -I'm saying it
是因为 我是这些选举中 because I'm the one who invented all the games
一切权术游戏的开创者 that get played during Conclaves.
如果是你开创了一切 那你为什么没能当上教宗 If you invented them, then why aren't you pope?
我很快会查明的 I shall soon find out.
过去的事无法改变 迈克尔 Things went the way they did, Michael.
拜托 接受现实吧 Please, just accept it and accept the post as Prefect
接受圣职长这一职位吧 for the Congregation for the Clergy.
你会是整个教廷最具权势的人 You'll be the most powerful man in the whole Church.
迈克尔 帮帮我吧 我在恳求你 帮我想想我的第一次演讲吧 And Michael, help me, I'm begging you, help me write my first speech.
-我需要你 -但是我不需要你 莱尼 -I need you. -But I don't need you, Lenny.
帮我写讲稿吧 我需要你的建议 Help me write my speech, I need your advice.
我没有建议了 I have no more advice.
你该走了 莱尼 Get out of my house, Lenny.
那你为什么要叫我来 迈克尔 Why did you have me come here, Michael?
为了提醒你 你现在是教宗了 To remind you that you're the Pope now.
孤立无援 And you are all alone.
一如既往 Just as you have always been.
而且 一无是处 And that you're a nothing.
一无是处 Nothing!
庇护十三世陛下 Your Holiness Pius XIII...
给我讲讲我的父母 Tell me about my parents.
他们把你留在了孤儿院 Your parents left you at the orphanage,
说他们无法再抚养你了 saying they couldn't keep you any more
因为他们两个要去威尼斯 because they had to go to Venice.
你没有问他们要去威尼斯干什么吗 And you didn't ask them what they had to do in Venice?
我们不问问题 We didn't ask questions.
-他们是什么样的人 -我不记得了 莱尼 -What were they like? -I don't remember, Lenny.
我一定是见过了太多他们那样 I must have seen thousands of parents
把孩子留给我们的人 我没法记住所有人的脸 who left their children with us, I can't remember them all.
我记得 至少在梦里我记得 I remember them. At least I remember them in my dreams.
理论上来说 他们可能还活着 In theory, they might still be alive.
是的 他们现在应该刚过七十 Yes. They'd be just over seventy now.
而且 理论上说 他们可能仍在威尼斯 And, in theory, they might still be in Venice.
-他们可能在任何地方 莱尼 -我找遍所有地方 -They could be anywhere, Lenny. -I search everywhere,
我四处祈祷 I pray everywhere.
但是神迹没有出现 But I don't see God.
因为我没能找到我的父亲 也没能找到我母亲 Because I don't see my father. Because I don't see my mother.
但我 从另一个角度来看 看清了这一切 I, on the other hand, see everything.
-你看清了什么 -上帝的安排 -What do you see? -God's plan.
教廷的恢宏大业全部仰仗于您 圣座 A complex architecture that depends on you, Your Holiness.
一切都如此清晰可见 Everything is so clear.
谁在里面 Who's in there?
没人 No one.
不信的话您就自己亲眼看看 Go see for yourself if you don't believe me.
整个梵蒂冈城都是您的 圣父 这间公寓也是一样 All of Vatican City is yours, Holy Father, and so is this apartment.
没人爱戴我 所以我早已准备好 No one loves me, which is why I am prepared
接受来自各种人的各种厌恶 for every kind of vileness, from everyone.
圣父 我看得出来主降大任于你 Holy Father, I see Christ's reflection in you.
那杜索里埃主教呢 And in Dussolier?
我也看得出 主对他也有所寄望 I see Christ's reflection in him too.
但没有您这般重大 A paler reflection.
我虔诚的信徒们啊 我为我的迟来而道歉 My dear faithful ones, I'm sorry I'm late.
但我还是前来于此 But here I am.
往这看 Look at me.
不过不要看我 Only don't look at me.
请向上看 看见那天空了吗 Look up. Do you see the sky?
你们看见上帝了吗 Do you see God?
没有吗 No?
但这无关紧要 No matter.
现在请看向你身边之人 Now look at the person next to you.
满怀喜悦地看着他 并铭记圣奥古斯丁的话 Look joyfully upon him, and remember what Saint Augustine said:
你若寻求他 就必寻见 "If you want to see God, you have the means to do it."
主便是爱 "God is love."
教宗 教宗 教宗 Pius, Pius, Pius.
现在不是时候 Not now.
释放你自己 尽情发挥吧 陛下 Let yourself go, Your Holiness.
就好像要在这演讲的圣人是你一样 古铁雷斯 And if the saint here were you, Gutierrez?
我们遗忘了什么 What have we forgotten?
我们到底遗忘了什么 What have we forgotten?
我们遗忘了主 We have forgotten God.
你们 你们遗忘了主 You! You have forgotten God.
我希望你们能清楚 I want to be very clear with you.
你们必须更亲近于上帝 而不是彼此 You have to be closer to God than to each other.
我与上帝的距离要比与你们相近得多 I am closer to God than I am to you.
你们要知道 我永远都不可能贴近于你们 You need to know that I will never be close to you.
因为在找到主以前 每个人都是孤立的 Because everyone is alone before God.
我对那些哪怕是对主 I have nothing to say to those
有一丁点质疑的人都无话可说 who have even the slightest doubt about God.
我能做的只是让他们时刻想起 我的嗤之以鼻 All I can do is remind them of my scorn.
和他们自己的可悲境地 And their wretchedness.
我无法证明主是真实存在的 I don't have the proof of God existence,
你们可以随意去证明他的不存在 it is up to you to prove that He doesn't.
你们能够证实主是不存在的吗 Are you capable of proving that God does not exist?
如果你们不能 那就只能说明主是真实存在的 If you aren't able to prove it, then it means that God does exist.
主是存在的 God exists.
主不会重视我们 And He isn't interested in us
直到我们信服于他 只信服于他 until we become interested in Him, in Him exclusively.
你们懂我的意思吗 Do you understand what I am saying?
全-心-全-意 Ex-clu-sive-ly!
每时每刻 Twenty-four hours a day.
你必须全身心地膜拜主 Your hearts and minds filled only with God.
必须心无杂念 There's no room for anything else.
不要再去想什么自由意志 也不要再去想过放纵的生活 No room for free will, no room for liberty,
更不要想着自我解放 no room for emancipation.
别再跟从主了 我曾听人这样说过 "Free yourself from God", I've heard people say.
还自己自由吧 "Liberate yourself from God."
但是一旦你抛弃了主 所造成的损伤即是不可修复的 足以致命 But the pain of liberation is unbearable, sharp enough to kill.
没有主 Without God...
你就相当于一个死人 you are as good as dead.
仅剩亡灵游荡于街道之上 Dead, abandoned strays wandering the streets.
我们要看你的脸 We want to look you in the face.
你想看我的脸？ You want to look me in my face?
先见见上帝吧 Go see God first.
我不会引导你们 我不会引你进其路径 I won't help you. I'm not gonna show you the way.
自己寻找吧 Search for it,
找到主的所在 find him...
等你找到了主 and when you have found God,
也许就能看到我了 perhaps you will see me as well.
快停下 你怎么敢用灯光晃你的教宗 Stop it! How dare you shine a light on your Pope?
你这样做可不止是缺乏尊重了 What you are doing is more than a simple lack of respect.
我不知道你是否配得上我来领导你 I don't know if you deserve me.
我不知道 I don't know.
此时此刻 At this point...
我不知道你是否值得 我不知道 I don't know if you are worthy of me... I don't know...
帮帮我 Help me.
帮帮我 Help me...
抵偿那些为了拯救教廷而犯下的过错 atone for all the wrong I'll have to do in order to save the Church.