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当时所有枢机主教都在选举会议上 All of us cardinals were there, at the Conclave.
第四轮投票 著名的僵局 We were on the fourth ballot, the famous total stalemate.
我看着杜索里埃主教 I looked at Cardinal Dussolier,
他当教宗的希望渺茫 a longshot for the Papacy,
我们从小就已彼此了解 we've known each other since we were kids,
我们分享能想象到的所有痛苦 We've shared every suffering imaginable.
我看着高大驼背的红衣主教斯宾塞 I looked at tall, stoop-shouldered Cardinal Spencer,
我的导师 my mentor,
所有候选人中资质最深的一位 看起来如此睿智 the most eligible of all the candidates, looking so wise.
我总是对智慧抱有怀疑 I've always been suspicious of wisdom.
我确信他当时已经构思好了首次教宗演说 I'm convinced he was already drafting his first papal address
甚至写好了第一份教宗通谕 in his head, maybe even composing his first encyclical.
我看了又看 I looked and looked at them.
然后向上帝祷告 And then I prayed to God.
您的祷告很有效 You did well to pray.
无论如何 正是圣灵点亮了 At any rate, it is the Holy Spirit who must illumine...
这是我当时咕哝着的祷告 This was the prayer I muttered between my teeth:
主啊 Lord,
我不在乎何种手段 不在乎是否正当 I don't care with what means, licit or illicit,
都无所谓 我不在乎圣灵 they're all fine, I don't care about the Holy Spirit,
是否照亮于我 whether He illumines me or not,
我什么都不在乎 我不在乎你的想法 I don't care about anything, I don't care about your opinions,
也不在乎自己是否够格 or if I'm up to the task,
不在乎自己是否个局外人或是希望渺茫 or if I'm not an outsider or a longshot,
不在乎你是否觉得我是病夫或无赖 I don't care if you think I'm weak, or a scoundrel,
我不在乎像爱自己一样爱邻人 I don't care about loving my neighbor as myself,
我的邻人: 爱我 顾念我的人
我永远不会像爱自己一样爱邻人 I will never love my neighbor as myself,
我只在乎一件事 主 I only care about one thing, Lord,
那就是我 而不是别人 能够为你所用 that I, not the others, can be useful to You.
我继续祈祷 更加用心 I prayed some more, harder this time.
祈祷的太过专注 差点尿裤子 I was praying so hard I nearly shit my pants.
我得把屁股黏在椅子上 才能把持住自己 I had to glue my ass to my chair so as not to make a mess,
我直直地盯着杜索里埃 念着 主 别选他 I stared, straight to Dussolier and I said: God, not him,
选我 me.
我又看向斯宾塞 念着 主 别选他 选我 I looked at Spencer and I said: God, not him, me.
翻来覆去说了有一千遍 I must have chanted those words a thousand times
在他们再次开始投票之前 before they opened the voting again,
就像念咒一样 别选他 选我 like a mantra: Not him, me,
别选他 选我 not him, me.
到最后就变成 别选他们 选我 And then, toward the end: Not them, me.
现在成为教宗的人是我 And now I'm the Pope.
不是他们 Not them.
是我 Me.
玛丽修女会说这是奇迹 Sister Mary would call it a miracle.
其他人会说是对祷告的应答 Others would call it the answer to a prayer.
但我不知道这叫什么 But I don't know what to call it.
听见被选中的是我 他们脸都白了 They all went white when they heard the name I'd chosen,
而我得意于他们的惊恐 and I reveled in their fear.
他们终于开始意识到我是谁 They were beginning to realize who I am,
因为他们犯下了大错 because that is the enormous error they committed:
选出了一个他们不了解的教宗 They chose a pope they didn't know.
而今天他们才开始明白 And today they began to understand.
最大的过错其实是 That is their tremendous sin:
选出了一位他们自以为了解的教宗 They chose a Pope they presumed they knew.
我念出了自己的名字 庇护十三世 I spoke my new name, Pius XIII,
他们忘了感谢上帝 and they forgot to thank God because they thought
因为他们觉得上帝没有选择他们 that God had failed to illumine them.
我也忘了感谢上帝 因为我也觉得 I forgot to thank God, because I didn't think.
上帝没有选择他们 God had illumined them either.
我爱我自己多余于爱邻人 多于爱上帝 I love myself more than my neighbor, more than God,
我只信仰我自己 我是无所不能之神 I believe only in myself, I am the lord omnipotent:
莱尼 是你照亮了你自己 妈的 Lenny, you have illumined yourself! Fuck!
我们之前说好的 安吉洛 We had a deal, Angelo!
我当上教宗 你接着做教务大臣 Me pope, you reconfirmed the Secretary of State.
完美平衡 The perfect balance.
但随后你却打破了约定 But then you broke our agreement.
从帽子里变出了这么个小孩 You pulled that kid out of the hat.
我自己的学生 My own student.
你真是狗屁 You really are a shit!
你管不住他 你心里清楚 You won't be able to manage him, you know.
在他布道后 至少现在你肯定是清楚了 You must have learned that by now, after that homily he gave.
你怎么这么蠢 How stupid can you be!
你太过畏惧我的极权 You were so fearful of my extremis,
以至于忘记了最明显的事实 that you forgot the most obvious truth:
年轻人总是比长者更为极端 The young are always more extreme than the old.
但还有另一个真相 迈克尔 But there is another truth, Michael.
什么真相 What other truth?
你害怕老斯宾塞会脱离你的控制吗 That you were afraid old Spencer would be beyond your control?
既然你给自己找了个小斯宾塞 Well, now you got yourself a young Spencer.
教会还是会在他手里握很长一阵的 The Church is gonna be in his clutches for a long time.
何况现在提都没提你会连任的事 And it's not even a given that you'll be reconfirmed.
我不明白 你这么做是为了什么 I don't understand, what are you getting out of all this?
你不明白是因为 You don't understand because you don't allow me
你不让我告诉你真相 to tell you the truth.
-到底是什么真相 -我没有暗算你 -And what truth would that be? -I didn't plot against you.
我没有让我的人投贝尔拉多的票 I didn't direct my men to vote for Belardo.
当然 我让他们相信情况属实 Sure, I let people believe that was the case,
以维护我的权威 so as to maintain my power.
但事情不是这样的 But that's not how it went.
在某一个特定的时间点 没有任何人的指使 At a certain point, without anyone giving instructions,
贝尔拉多开始赢得胜局 Belardo started winning votes.
这是不可言说的真相 迈克尔 That is the unspeakable truth, Michael.
别耍我 安吉洛 Don't fuck with me, Angelo!
你想让我信你什么 What do you expect me to believe?
让我相信 我们在那里见证的 That what we witnessed in there...
是圣灵的迹象 was the breath of the Holy Spirit.
我想是的 迈克尔 我真的这么想 I think so, Michael, I really do.
我相信是圣灵显迹了 I believe the Holy Spirit breathed.
你疯了 You're out of your mind.
迈克尔 圣灵显迹了 Michael, the Holy Spirit breathed.
原谅我 主 原谅我说了不可饶恕的话 Forgive me, Lord, for I have been unforgiveable.
不是我照亮了自己 是您照亮了我 It's not true that I illumine myself. You illumine me.
我并非无所不能 It's not true that I feel omnipotent.
您才是无所不能之神 You are the Lord Omnipotent.
我并不是对一切都满不在乎 It's not true that I don't care about anything.
我唯一在乎的就是您 The only thing I care about is You.
只有您 You alone.
而如果我忘记了去感谢您 那我现在感谢 And if I've forgotten to thank You, I thank You now.
如果我犯下了傲慢之罪 我请求您的宽恕 And if I've sinned by presumption, I ask Your forgiveness now.
如果我欺骗了可怜的唐·托马索 And if I've tricked that poor Don Tommaso,
我现在请求您的宽恕 I ask Your forgiveness now.
如果我恐吓了人们 我现在请求您的宽恕 And if I have frightened people, I ask Your forgiveness now.
如果我曾希望斯宾塞和杜索里埃受伤 And if I have wished Spencer and Dussolier harm,
我希望您赐予我同样的伤害 I ask You send harm my way as well.
如果我滥用了教宗之权 我请求您现在就将它收回 And if I have abused my power, I ask You to take it from me now.
宽恕我吧 上帝 照亮我 Forgive me, Lord, illumine me.
告诉我我该和主教们说些什么 Give me the words to say to the cardinals.
我的演讲是向您致意 My address regards You.
我的言语就是您的言语 My words are Your words.
我一直为您祈祷 使这一切发生 I keep praying for You to make something happen,
但是为什么要弃我于这极其糟糕与失望的境地 so why this awful, crawling feeling that nothing ever does?
我懂了 指引我吧 主 I know, dictate to me Lord.
是的 请指引我吧 Yes, dictate to me.
我一直都能虚心接受建议 您知道的 I've always been good at taking notes, You know that.
您是知道的 You know that.
阁下 我能在地毯上玩赛车吗 Your Excellency, can I race my toy cars on the carpet?
去称呼你母亲为阁下吧 "Excellency" You can say to your mom!
你必须叫我 主教大人 You have to call me: Eminence.
主教大人 那我能在这地毯上 Eminence, so can I...
你知道这地毯有多贵吗 Do you know how much that carpet costs?
是你那非洲小国GDP的2倍 Twice the GDP of your entire Country.
蔗糖 谢谢 Cane sugar for me, please.
你需要自己买蔗糖 阿吉雷 You have to buy your own cane sugar, Aguirre,
坦白地讲那东西让我想吐 because frankly the stuff makes me want to puke.
上次有教宗这样 It's been four hundred years
对教会的信徒充满敌意 还是在四百年前 since a Pope took such a hostile stance toward the faithful.
不管怎样 我要尽快和教宗谈话 In any case, I have to talk with the Pope soon.
我以后会尽力预判他的意图 I'll make a point of divining his intentions.
预判他的意图 "Divining his intentions?"
沃伊洛 你之前可说过 你对我负责 我对教宗负责 Voiello, you'd said: I report to you, the Pope reports to me.
他那演讲只是一念之差 His speech was just one false step.
我们这位教宗太不经世故了 We have a young Pope.
你们看报纸了吗 Have you been reading the paper?!
各报都在问 They're all asking,
教务大臣到底在做什么 "What is the Cardinal Secretary of State doing?"
我知道怎么处理 I know what to do.
我们需要耍个戏剧性的手段 What we need is a dramatic gesture..
沃伊洛 你今天递辞呈吧 Voiello, you need to hand in your resignation today.
这招极好 Excellent!
就这么办吧 沃伊洛 That's what you'll do, Voiello.
我们几个能达成共识真是奇迹 It's a genuine miracle that this assembly generated an idea.
真是妙招 A first-rate idea.
我十分确信 由于我在圣彼得广场布道的恶劣影响 I'm willing to bet, that in the aftermath of my homily,
你会提出辞职 you're ready to hand in your resignation.
我想都不会想 圣父 I wouldn't even think of it, Holy Father.
你没有对我没采用你的讲稿感到不满吗 Were you hurt not to hear the homily you drafted for me?
挫败感这种情绪 Frustration is an emotion that does not appertain
与教务大臣无关 to the Secretary of State.
-你喜欢我的布道吗 -那不是重点 -Did you like my homily? -That's not the point.
那说说重点吧 Then let's hear the point.
重点是我们的信徒们 The point is that the faithful were,
委婉地讲 他们感到十分意外 to put it euphemistically, surprised.
不只是意外 他们完全不知所措 More than surprised, they were overwhelmed.
是主使他们不知所措 God overwhelms.
是主使他们感到恐惧 God frightens.
有什么要优先处理的事吗 Priorities?
你要对红衣主教们进行的讲话 Your speech to our brother cardinals.
到时候的吧 别的事呢 In due time. Anything else?
库特维尔事件 圣父 The Kurtwell case, Holy Father.
真是烫手山芋 The big hot potato.
正是 圣父 Exactly, Holy Father.
前任教宗没能抽出时间指派人 Your predecessor didn't have time to put someone
处理这一微妙的事件 in charge of this delicate matter.
但到时候我会的 But I will. In due time.
恕我直言 圣父 那个时候就是现在 With all due respect, Holy Father, the time is "Now".
猥亵儿童的指控内容详尽且令人难堪 The charges of the child-abuse are detailed and embarrassing
还有就是库特维尔的态度 and Kurtwell's attitude is,
不夸张地说是非常的傲慢并且目中无人 to say the least, defiant and insolent.
还有别的事吗 Anything else?
圣父 我有责任告知您 Holy Father, it's my duty
媒体和电视新闻在对您的即位演说进行攻击后 to inform you that the press and the TV news,
已经进入到了新一阶段 after attacking us over your inaugural speech,
要求我们澄清 have now begun a new phase in which they ask us to clarify
您的演说究竟用意何在 the meaning of your statements.
典型的愚民行为 不理解就开始厌恶 Typical plebeian reaction: To hate when you do not understand.
那我们如何解释全球联合报道组 How are we going to put over the idea that the world press corps
都难以理解您演说的基本概念 has difficulty understanding the basic concepts?
一种可用的妥协措施就是召开一场新闻发布会 A potential compromise might be to call a press conference
对您布道的内容进行解释 -我不会露面 也不做解释 to explain things. -I don't appear, I don't explain.
我不是说您 圣父 Not you, Holy Father.
我可以自己去接受采访 I could go myself to give an interview.
我们教廷不再提供这种接受采访的机会 主教大人 We no longer give interviews, Your Eminence.
唯一能与我们进行交谈的只有主 The only interviews we give are to God.
他现在还没有要求会谈真是太遗憾了 一旦来了肯定是重磅新闻 Too bad he hasn't requested one yet, it would be quite the scoop.
圣父 媒体在乞求一张您的照片 Holy Father, the press is begging for a photo of you.
不给 No.
圣父 是红衣主教奥佐林斯 Holy Father, it's Cardinal Ozolins.
让他进来吧 我一直想见他来着 Let him in. I've been expecting him.
您希望见到我吗 圣座 You wished to see me, Your Holiness?
当然 唯一一次也是最后一次 奥佐林斯 Yes, and for the last time, Ozolins.
跟我来 Come with me.
现在 Now...
闭上双眼然后挑选你新目的地 close your eyes and choose your new destination.
我做错了什么吗 圣父 What have I done wrong, Holy Father?
没有 Nothing.
只是在过去三位教宗的执政期间 It's just that your role under the previous three Popes
你负责制定他们的巡游方案 was to organize their travels.
我希望能从根本上改变一下 A role which I intend to radically rescale,
因为我不会这样浪费时间漫游世界各地 because this Pope won't be wasting time roaming the world.
因此 我不再需要你 As a result, I no longer need you.
作为红衣主教 你去做这样一种不符合你地位的工作 It would be beneath your stature as a cardinal
是不合适的 所以 to accept a diminished role so...
那我为什么觉得 Then why do I get the impression
你要让我去做更不符我身份地位的事 that you're out to diminish me even further?
因为你说对了 Because it's true!
现在闭上双眼然后把手指放在地球仪上 Now close your eyes and plant a finger on the globe.
闭上眼睛 Close your eyes.
凯奇坎 阿拉斯加 Ketchikan, Alaska!
圣父 我指的是旧金山 Actually, Holy Father, San Francisco is what turned up.
你指的可不是那 奥佐林斯 You're not right there, Ozolins.
是阿拉斯加的凯奇坎 Ketchikan, Alaska.
那地方挺不错的 我之前去过 It's a lovely place, I've been there..
不错的小城 人口大概有8000人 A nice little town, population 8,000.
你会很喜欢那里的 You'll like it.
那里是不是很冷 Is it cold there?
当然 寒冷刺骨 Oh, yeah, it's freezing.
但是不要忘记诺贝尔文学奖获得者约瑟夫·布罗茨基的佳句 But don't forget Nobel laureate Joseph Brodsky's wonderful words:
俄裔美国诗人 散文家 诺贝尔文学奖获得者
"冰冻之下的美丽才是真正的美丽" "Beauty at low temperatures is beauty".
圣父 我为您准备了一份小礼物 Holy Father, a little gift for you.
圣父啊 这东西用处极大 Blessed Father, this is a very useful object,
但您必须先解开它 but only if you open it.
你瞧 You see?
这东西不解开的话也挺有用 It can be perfectly useful even when it's closed.
圣座 鉴于我的高龄 Your Holiness, will you allow me,
能否允许我表达一下我微带偏见的看法 given my venerable age, a vaguely critical observation?
可以 我允许 Yes, I allow you.
期待这些忠诚的信徒去寻解上帝是否存在的这一谜团 To expect a devoted and adoring crowd to ponder the enigma
相当于在问一个陈腐的问题 of God's existence amounts to asking an obsolete question.
现在的问题不是上帝是否存在 The question now is not whether God exists,
而是我们为什么要依靠上帝 but rather, why do we depend on God?
您让我感到惊讶 圣父 You surprised me, Holy Father.
年纪轻轻却思想老旧 You're so young and yet you have such old ideas.
你说错了 我是一个孤儿 You're wrong about that. I'm an orphan.
孤儿从未年轻过 And orphans are never young.
但是大多数的教徒都不是孤儿 But the majority of the churchgoers are not orphans.
谁说的 Says who?
你真的认为所谓的孤儿 Do you really think the only orphans
就是指失去父母 are those without a mother and father?
即使不是 Even if it were true,
随着那个孤儿的成长 他或许能够发现内心深处年轻的自我 as an orphan grows older, he may discover a fresh youth within.
我们要举行一个新闻发布会 We're gonna hold a press conference.
沃伊洛很乐于面对新闻界 Voiello will be happy to face the press.
沃伊洛是不会出面的 你来 Voiello won't be facing the press, you will.
我 我还不能应对这个挑战 Me? I'm not up to the challenge.
我不知道如何应对 I wouldn't know how to respond.
你不需要应对 你只需要去确认 You won't be expected to respond. You'll be expected to affirm.
确认我将告诉你的事 Affirm what I am going to dictate to you.
你看起来很焦躁 You look on edge to me.
你总是在反向问我 You always ask rhetorical questions.
你就直说吧 Why don't you just tell me why I'm on edge?
你是因为新闻发布会而烦躁 You're upset because of the press conference.
你从来没开过 You've never held one.
是的 Exactly.
而你感到沮丧是因为你想开这个发布会 And you're depressed because you wanted to do it.
没错 但不是因为我想站在聚光灯下 True, but not because I want to be in the spotlight.
如果是我 我会很乐意能够有一个机会 I would have been happy for a chance to publicly reassure
公开安抚那些来自世界各地 the bishops, who've been calling me from all over the world,
呼唤着我的惊惶的主教们 in a general state of alarm.
我能问一下你大致会以怎样的立场 Can I ask what your general
出现在新闻发布会上么 stance will be at the press conference?
不 你不能 No, you cannot.
说实话吧 你还是更喜欢斯宾塞做教宗 Tell the truth, you would have preferred Spencer as pope.
斯宾塞一直都比我们聪明许多 Spencer has always been smarter than the rest of us,
但也更为脆弱 but also more fragile.
这就是为什么我反对他当教宗 That's why I worked against his election.
你有没有想过自己坐教宗的位置 Have you ever considered becoming the pope yourself?
没有 No.
教宗需要激发信任 A pope needs to inspire trust.
而我只能起反作用 I inspire the opposite.
不过我苦恼的问题是 But the question that
是什么在激励着教宗庇护十三世 distresses me is: What inspires Pope Pius XIII?
所有人都想见他 但是他拒绝了 Everyone wants to see him, and he refuses to be seen.
信徒们期待一份安抚 The faithful expect reassurance,
得到却是他的那些骇人听闻 and instead he offers only unsettling comments.
我不知道他在想什么 I can't figure out what he has in mind.
他究竟在追求一个什么样的教会 What kind of Church is he looking for?
你告诉我 他是不是有什么计划 You tell me, does he have a plan?
我必须得告诉你 修女玛丽 I really have to tell you, Sister Mary:
我们这个教宗奇怪又矛盾 This Pope is strange and contradictory.
就像你一样 Just like you.
-就像我一样 -就像你一样 -Just like me? -Just like you!
你如何评判一个这样的人 What can you say about a man who
他居住在一个拥有私人桑拿浴室的6500平方英尺的公寓 lives in an 6,500-square-foot apartment with a private sauna...
还有一个被精美的挂毯围绕着的台球桌 and a billiard table, surrounded by fine tapestries,
金器 锦缎 价值连城的艺术品 goldsmithery, damasks, and expensive artworks,
但是他仍耗费心力 but who also takes the time,
在深夜去照顾一个残疾的孩子 and energy at night to babysit a disabled boy.
你真是无坚不摧 修女玛丽 You're unbeatable, Sister Mary.
没有人是无坚不摧的 主教大人 No one's unbeatable, Your Eminence.
只是耐心 也就是说 是时间的问题 It's a matter of patience, which means it's a matter of time.
而这也是我向你请求的 时间和耐心 And that's what I ask of you: Time and patience.
你一点都不担心么 And you're not worried?
不 一点都不 No, I'm not.
迈克尔 我很担心 Michael, I'm worried.
莱尼才刚刚开始 Lenny has barely begun and
他们就已经成群结队地放弃他了 already they're abandoning him in droves.
他们应该在教宗选举的时候就想到的 They should have thought about it before, during the Conclave.
那么现在你需要给出一些想法了 Well now you need to give it some thought.
我已经尽我所能了 I've done everything that's within my power to do.
-这取决于你 -你胡说八道什么 -It's up to you! -What are you raving about?
莱尼需要理念与愿景 Lenny needs concepts and visions.
我对此无能为力 但是你可以做到 I can't help with that, but you can.
你是他的精神上的父亲 You are his spiritual father.
我不过是一个疲惫的老人 I'm just a tired old man.
历史错过了我 And history has passed me by.
你只是个愤怒的男人 You're just a man who's pissed off
因为你没有得到你最想要的东西 because you didn't get what you wanted most.
而现在你怀恨在心 And now you're being spiteful.
一个如此卓越的男人 却沉湎于如此幼稚的心理 A man of your prominence, wallowing in such childishness:
你难道都不感到羞愧么 迈克尔 Aren't you ashamed of yourself, Michael?
-那个孩子已经成为了男人 -他现在是教宗了 -The boy has become a man. -He's the father now.
我必须服从他 And I must obey him.
这就是规则 Those are the rules.
你自己都知道你不过是在胡说八道 You're just spouting bullshit and you know it.
他需要你 而你却拒绝帮助他 He needs you and you refuse to help him
以你无穷的虚荣为原由 in the name of your bottomless vanity.
你必须要在上帝面前 You will answer for this,
凭你已被蹂躏的良心负起责任 before God and in your ravaged conscience.
莱尼不想要我的帮助 Lenny doesn't want my help.
他只想让我认可他犯错误 He just wants me to approve of his mistakes.
这是每一个孩子都想从父亲那里得到的 That's what every son wants from their fathers.
那么就找他过来 告诉他你的不认可 So summon him and withhold your approval.
这是所有好父亲都会对他们的孩子做的 That's what all good fathers do with their sons.
教宗口谕 The Pope has dictated the following statement:
我 庇护十三世 罗马主教 基督之代表 "I, Pius XIII, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ,."
众门徒之主之后继者 Successor of the Prince of the Apostles,
最高祭司 Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church,
意大利首席主教 Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan
罗马省大主教及都主教 of the Province of Rome,
梵蒂冈城元首 Sovereign of the State of Vatican City,
上帝之众仆人之仆人 and Servant of the Servants of God,
将告知我对你们的怀疑批评 wish to inform you of my total indifference
报以完全冷漠的态度 to your doubts and criticism,
鉴于我认为有必要 in light of which I deem it necessary
去重申我的无误 to reiterate my infallibility
和人们会犯错正好相反 "In contrast to your human fallibility."
这个教宗是否在声明他的神圣地位 Is this Pope claiming divine status?
鉴于我的特权 "And by virtue of the prerogative,"
是神圣的 which is dogmatically
由至高无上的罗马教宗批准 sanctioned by the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff,
在我执行计划的时候 I will not tolerate any delays
不会容忍任何的延误或妥协 "Or compromises as I carry out my plan."
什么计划 What plan?
我们一点都不清楚这个计划 We didn't understand anything about the plan.
我们也不知道你是谁 And once more we don't understand who you are?
我 Me?
我是修女玛丽 I'm Sister Mary.
修女玛丽又是谁 Who is Sister Mary?
圣父 红衣主教斯宾塞大人想今晚与您会面 Holy Father, Cardinal Spencer would be pleased to have you
如果您不介意的话 call on him this evening, if you wouldn't mind.
无法原谅的缺点 What unforgivable weakness!
没有必要从过去引用一堆 There was no need to drag out a bunch of old absurdities
老套的荒谬之言 from the past.
你所要做的就只是微笑和向人群挥手 All you had to do was smile and greet the crowd.
我不会笑 也不会打招呼 I don't smile and I don't greet.
你跟我学了这么多年 Did all those years you spend studying with me
一点长进都没有吗 do you no good at all?
不 我学会了独立思考 Yes, they taught me to think for myself.
啊 这就是你独立思考的成果吗 Ah, and this is what you thought all by yourself?
让世界上每个基督教徒和记者都反对你 To set every Christian and journalist in the world against you
而且还是在你刚成为教宗的时候 in the first week of your Papacy?
这也是我计划中的一部分 This is part of my plan too.
什么计划 What plan?
缺席也是出席 Absence is presence.
这些都是保持神秘的基本要素 These are the fundamentals of mystery.
会成为我教会中心思想的神秘性 The mystery that will be at the center of my Church.
神秘是一件严肃的事 不是什么市场策略 Mystery is a serious matter, it's not some marketing strategy.
在这个屋子的外面 Out there,
每个人都得明白追寻上帝 everyone must learn that it takes sacrifice
是要有牺牲和痛苦的 and suffering to find God.
夕阳西沉 上帝这个词来得太容易 It's too easy to come to terms with God as the sun is setting.
他们必须得在寒风和黑夜中找到他 They have to find Him in the cold and the dark of night.
就像我一样 The way I did.
缺席就是出席 Absence is presence.
牺牲和痛苦 Sacrifice and suffering.
我知道你的这些想法的起源 I know where these ideas are coming from
因为我比你自己还了解你 because I know you even better than you know yourself.
-他们从哪儿来 -来自你自己的经历 -Where are they coming from? -From your own life.
你的父母抛弃了你 所以你花费了你一生的时间 Your parents rejected you, so you've spent your entire life
试图自己补偿父母之爱 trying to receive them within yourself.
他们远离了你 所以你渴望他们 They distanced themselves from you, so you desire them.
然后你 像是没吃药一样 And then you, in your unmedicated concide,
自以为是地以为你的需求和 you presumed that your needs are the same as those
数十亿的天主教徒们一样 of a billion of the Catholics!
停止那些粗陋的精神分析吧 和我一起工作 Cut out this dime-store psychoanalysis and work with me.
我不和幼稚的人共事 I don't work with nine-year-old boys.
你在孤儿院门前没挪动过一步 You've never budged from the front gate of that orphanage
在一个晴朗的日子 where one fine day,
毫无解释地 你的父母抛弃了你 without explanations, your parents abandoned you.
住口 Cut it out.
愿上帝保佑我们 May God help us!
你想让这个世界为你的不幸买单 You want to make the world pay for the wrong it did you.
你会是一个糟糕的教宗 You'll be a terrible Pope,
而且是当代最差 最危险的 the worst and the most dangerous in modern times,
我并不打算浪费我所剩下的为数不多的时间 and I don't intend to waste the few years I have remaining
成为一个充满仇恨的小孩的共犯 being an accomplice to a vindictive little boy.
你醉了 You are drunk.
不 还没 No. Not enough.
我认识那个女人 I know that woman.
叫埃丝特 皮特的妻子 That's Esther, the wife of Peter.
丈夫是个瑞典近卫队士兵 A Swiss Guard.
你偶尔还会想念我吗 Do you still think about me now and then?
我求你了 我想知道答案 I'm begging you, I need to know:
你偶尔还会想我吗 Do you still think about me now and then?
放开我 可能有人在看 Let go of me, someone might see us.
那你为什么要来找我 So, why did you come get me?
圣父想见你 The Holy Father wishes to see you.
你以前没来过教宗宫殿吗 Haven't you ever been in the Apostolic Palace before?
天主教教宗的宫邸
这些年从没来过 Never, in all these years.
那你觉得怎么样 Well, what do you think?
让我有些心神不安 It makes you feel uneasy.
它的设计和修建都是有特定含义的 It was designed and built with that exact intent.
您想见我吗 You wanted to meet me?
从上面也看得很清楚吗 Was that clear even from up here?
为什么你要一动不动地站在广场中央 Why were you standing motionless in the middle of the square?
我想让您知道 I wanted you to know.
知道什么 Know what?
我热爱您的布道施教 That I loved your homily.
还不够 That's not enough!
只有爱还远远不够 Because it's not enough to just love it,
你还需要理解它 you also need to perceive it.
我觉得我已经理解了 I think I perceived it.
那你还理解了什么其他的吗 And what else did you perceived?
还有其他的吗 What?
尊重 Respect.
你们是谁 What's your name?
好 我们开始吧 All right, let's get started.
圣父 我确信不需要提醒您 Holy Father, I am sure that there is no need to remind you
红衣主教们一直等待着您的致谢讲话 that the cardinals are expecting your speech of thanks
好快点回家 and to be sent home.
你说得对 You're right, there is
你不需要提醒我 但你还是提醒了 no need to remind me, but you did it anyway.
那个在自的华盛顿三重冕呢 What about the papal tiara from Washington?
显然他还在路上 Apparently it's on its way.
关于科特威尔案件 Now, the Kurtwell case.
我有个候选人 一个圈外人 叫法比奥·克劳迪奥·塔瓦莱利 I have a candidate: A layman, Fabio Claudio Tavarelli.
非常公正 Highly impartial.
一个公正的圈外人 An impartial layman?
对 叫塔瓦莱利 Yes, that's Tavarelli.
阁下 您似乎有些草率 Your Eminence, you seem a bit impetuous
对于科特威尔案件 when it comes to the Kurtwell case.
我并不草率 我很公正 I'm not impetuous. I'm fair.
提到在那些公正的事情 Among the many things that are fair, let's also remember
那些被科特威尔管理的美国神学院 that the American seminaries
提供了占北美全部 run by Kurtwell provide forty percent
新神父数量的百分之四十 of all new priests in North America.
玛丽修女 如果有人是故意掩盖科特威尔l案件 Sister Mary, if the intention is to cover up the Kurtwell case...
没人想要掩盖任何事 阁下 No one wants to cover anything up, Your Eminence.
但我早已告诉过你 我会亲自监督科特威尔案件的进程 But I've already told you that I will oversee the Kurtwell case myself.
并且我会指派我信赖的人 and that I will appoint someone I trust.
什么时候 圣父 When, Holy Father?
以后 Later.
等圣灵给予我启发的时候 When the Holy Spirit illumines me.
现在只有圣灵还没有给我制定过会议行程 Only the Holy Spirit hasn't scheduled a meeting with me yet.
议程表上还写了什么 What else do your agenda books tell us?
星期四 圣父将会对来自整个欧洲的 On Thursday, the Holy Father is scheduled to baptize
九十个儿童施以洗礼 ninety children from all over Europe.
我真的要逼迫自己受这些罪吗 Must I really subject myself to such torture?
圣父 教会很看重 Holy Father, the church tends to attach a fair amount
被施以洗礼者数量上的公平性 of importance to baptism.
有什么刺激的吗 Anything a little more stimulating?
针对那次新闻发布会上的声明 In light of the statements made at the press conference,
世界各地的新闻报社刚开始释放"恶魔" newspapers around the world have just begun to unlease holy hell.
当然 这通常是步入天堂的第一步 Well, that's always the first step on the path to paradise.
我知道了 I see.
我不再是那个在梵蒂冈城的笑话了 I'm not the one dispensing jokes in the Vatican anymore,
圣座 现在是您了 Your Holiness, now it's you.
主教阁下 首先 Your Eminence, first of all:
我建议你尽快恢复你那传说中的 I suggest you recover as soon as possible your legendary,
假恭敬 fake courtesy.
其次 我的笑话里蕴含着真理 And secondly: My jokes contain the truth.
您知道吗 圣父 You know something, Holy Father?
您有耶稣一般的英俊相貌 但您不是耶稣 You are as handsome as Jesus, but you are not actually Jesus.
我可能比他还要帅气 但你知道就好 I may actually be more handsome, but keep that to yourself.
红衣主教斯宾塞曾在一次 Cardinal Spencer, in a
只有我们两人的私人交谈中 private conversation between the two of us,
暗示我 alluded to certain
我当选教宗背后有一些不可告人的阴谋 machinations that led to my being elected Pope.
但他不愿向我吐露细节 He was unwilling to acquaint me with the details.
我不会再向斯宾塞刨根问底了 I'm not going to insist with Spencer,
但我要问你了 沃伊洛 but I am with you, Voiello.
所以 告诉我我被选作教宗背后的真实缘由 So, tell me exactly the dynamics that went on to see me elected.
你现在就和我实话实说 否则你现在所看到的一切 Tell me right now, or what you've seen so far will be nothing
都将是最后的午餐 but a foretaste of the macabre banquet
而教会将会元气大伤 that will bring on the ruin of the Church.
现在给我解释清楚 Explain it all, right here,
晚一秒都不行 right now, because even a second later will be too late.
您的意思是您在面对 Are you telling me that you're behaving irrationally
忠贞不渝的信徒 梵蒂冈教廷 以及大众媒体时行事如此鲁莽的原因 with the faithful, the Vatican Curia, and the mass media because
是因为你被那些幕后的 you were kept out of the
并帮助您当上教宗的阴谋圈 loop on the behind-the-scenes machinations
拒之门外吗 that led to your election?
不 No.
我现在命令你从下一句话开始 I am ordering you, beginning with your next utterance,
就要告诉我为什么我被选为教宗 to tell me why I was elected,
以及这对你们来说意味着什么 and what my election was supposed to mean to you all.
实话实说 圣灵 In truth, the Holy Spirit...
您不应该成为那位伟大的先知 You were not supposed to be the man of the Providence,
您本应是一位懂得妥协的教宗 you were supposed to be the Pope of compromise.
你说的妥协是什么意思 What do you mean by compromise?
您作为一名大主教的谨慎可以被理解为一座在 Your prudence as a cardinal was interpreted as a potential bridge
对于我来说很重要的激进立场的人们 between the progressive positions so dear to me
以及对于斯宾塞来说很重要的保守人士之间的桥梁 and the more conservative ones so dear to Spencer.
您被视为一个复合体 You were considered to be a synthesis.
一个快乐的复合体 让圣灵和我自己同时满意 A happy synthesis, pleasing both to the Holy Spirit and myself,
那位相信您和您年轻的天赋的伟大的选民 the great elector who, believing in you and your young talent,
影响了许多红衣主教 influenced a majority of cardinals.
现在出于对我来说某些不明的原因 Now, for reasons that are unclear to me,
您不再愿意担当我们之间的桥梁 you no longer want to be a bridge.
而这才刚刚开始 And this is only the beginning.
你为什么这么做 Why are you doing this?
-您为什么变卦 -教宗不是红衣主教 -Why did you change? -A Pope is not a cardinal.
红衣主教会采取联合的方式合作 A cardinal works in a collegial manner,
然而教宗是至高无上的 while a Pope is an absolute sovereign.
妈的 你本应根据我和斯宾塞的建议来分享 Fuck, you were supposed to share your sovereignty
你的那份至高无上的权利的 with my advice and Spencer's!
而不是像这样的 Not like this!
用一个果断的非外交辞令回应您 主教大人 A decidedly undiplomatic response, Your Eminence.
您说的对 圣父 并且我卑微地乞求您的原谅 You're right, Holy Father, and I humbly beg your forgiveness.
我不是很确定那就足够了 I'm not sure that's enough.
您想让我辞职吗教宗大人吗 Do you want my resignation?
我不确定那就足够了 I'm not sure that's enough.
告诉瓦伦特去档案室 Tell Valente to go to the archives
带来罢免红衣主教的有关文件 and bring the procedure for deposing a cardinal.
我能请你们二位暂时离开一段时间吗 May I ask you both to leave us for a moment?
阁下 Your Eminence,
难道你想让我相信我当上教宗是因为你吗 would you have me believe that I am Pope thanks to you.
但你我都知道这不是真的 But you and I both know that's not the truth.
但是如果教宗大人认为他能废除教务大臣 But if the Pope thinks he can depose the Secretary of State
而不带来严重后果 without all the grave repercussions that are bound to ensue,
这就意味着他对于这里的一切 then it means that he really understands nothing
真的一无所知 about the way things work here.
你根本想象不出我的权利有多大 You have no idea of how vast my powers are,
远远超越了这些梵蒂冈的围城了 here and beyond the walls of Vatican City.
你冒着暴雨无所畏惧地来到这 You braved this terrible storm out of fear
不担心失去你的枢机主教之职吗 that you might lose your cardinalate?
恐怕我可能要失去教会 Out of fear I might lose the Church.
走开 Go away.
我不想再和你说话了 I don't wanna talk to you anymore.
你是个叛徒又是个傻瓜 You're a traitor and a fool.
我不知道哪一个更糟糕 And I don't know which one is worse.
等等 Wait.
我不是一个人 I didn't come alone.
他在干嘛 What's he doing?
他在衡量上帝的重量 He's lifting the weight of God.
那上帝的重量是什么样子的 迈克尔 And what is the weight of God like,Michael?
非常脆弱 Very fragile.
是特别的脆弱 It's extremely fragile.
这就是为什么你要帮助我们使我们的上帝更坚强 Which is why you are going to help us to fortify God.
我努力过 I tried.
这是条死胡同 It's hopeless.
不 迈克尔 No, Michael.
我们穷极一生努力尝试 We have to spend our whole lives trying.
直到我们死亡之前我们仍然在尝试 We have to try right till the moment of our death.
这就是我们作为神父的职责 That's what priests do.
我们给上帝 We give God's...
以重量 weight!
我乞求您的原谅 莱尼 I beg your forgiveness, Lenny.
原谅我 Forgive me.
我来这就是为了告诉你我改变主意了 I've come to tell you that I've changed my mind.
我会欣然接受作为 I'll gladly accept the position of Prefect
圣职长的职位 for the Congregation for the Clergy.
我很抱歉迈克尔 已经太晚了 I'm sorry, Michael, it's too late.
教会里面已经没有你的职位了 There is no position left open for you.
还有一件事 红衣主教斯宾塞 One more thing, Cardinal Spencer.
什么 What?
请称呼我为圣座 Address me as Your Holiness.
圣父大人 我是贝卢诺的大主教 Blessed Father, I am the bishop of Belluno,
但是我代表其他在意大利的所有大主教们 but I speak for all the other bishops of Italy
以及几乎是所有的教区神父 and nearly all the parish priests.
我理应提醒你 It behooves me to inform
一些异常的事情发生了 you that something anomalous is happening.
您的话语已在信徒间种下了 Your words to the faithful have sown
猜忌 甚至更糟 doubt and, worse,
恐惧的种子 fear.
他们之中的很多人害怕 Many of them are afraid
不敢再涉足于教区教堂 to set foot inside their parish church again,
他们寻求我们的帮助 渴求我们的解答 they come to us, eager for an explanation.
换句话说 他们十分惊恐 In other words, they're scared.
什么能够真正使得教会变得伟大 What truly made our church great?
恐惧还是宽容 Fear or tolerance?
我们能从我们教会的历史中得到什么 What can we learn from the history of our Church?
当对国家的恐惧已写入了我们的DNA How great was the papal state when fear among nations
教会是多么的伟大 was part of our DNA?
我们是多么渺小 How small did we become,
个人的影响力发生了多么严重的衰减 how greatly did our influence decline, when we decided to yield.
当我们决定让步 屈服 退缩 变得随和而省心 To succumb, to withdraw, to become accommodating and reassuring?
这个地方 这些人 This place, these people,
安抚着我的不安 placate my sense of disquiet,
化解着我的焦虑 all my anxieties,
不论古今 both ancient and modern.
美味冰爽 圣父 It's nice and cold, Holy Father.
毫无疑义 修女 I don't doubt it, Sister.
你可以帮我拿三个橘子吗 Would you be so kind as to bring me three oranges, as well?
当然 圣父 Certainly, Holy Father.
我如此希望我可以遭遇过雷击 I so wish that I could have been thunderstruck,
像你一样 五月的一个下午 在教堂中心 as you were, one May afternoon, in the heart of the Church.
相反 我没有其他更好的选择 只能当神父 Instead, I became a priest for lack of a better alternative.
从孤儿院 From the orphanage with
我和玛丽直接去了神学院 Sister Mary, I went straight to the seminary
被斯宾塞大人保护着 under the protection of Monsignor Spencer.
然后他成为了红衣主教斯宾塞 Then he became Cardinal Spencer.
但是在孤儿院快要结束 But between the end of school
神学院即将开始的那段时间里 and the beginning of seminary.
我有一个礼拜的假期 I had a week of vacation.
这是我第一次自己一个人出去 It was the first time I'd ever been out in the world on my own.
我去了加利福利亚 在那儿我去了海滩 I went to California, and there I went to the beach.
在那个海滩 And on that beach...
我赢得了一个平凡的女孩的心 I won over a homely girl
当时她在我眼里就是 who seemed at the time
全世界最美的女孩 to be the most beautiful girl in the world.
你怎样赢得她的芳心的 How did you win her over?
请告诉我 Please, tell me.
-谢谢 -不用谢 圣父 -Thank you. -You're welcome, Holy Father.
像这样 Like this.
我们在一起呆了一个礼拜 We were together for a week.
之后我就进入了神学院 And then, I entered the seminary.
这是我第一次告诉别人关于这件事 This is the first time I've told anyone about it.
主教大人 你在我房间干什么 Your Eminence, what, what are you doing in my room?
我亲爱的古铁雷斯 My dear Gutierrez,
你是否问过你自己 have you ever asked yourself
这些年来我是如何经营这个教宗国的 how I've managed to run the papal State for all these years?
经常会 Many times.
你的答案是什么 What's your answer?
它需要一个包罗万象的视角 我想 It requires a great overarching vision, I imagine.
恰恰相反 Precisely the opposite.
没有什么包罗万象的视角 No vision whatsoever,
反而是要重视那些无关的小事 but by placing importance on the irrelevant things.
你又知道我是怎么设法去知道那些不相关的 And do you know how I manage to learn all the irrelevant things
没有人愿意告诉我的事吗 that no one wants to tell me?
不知道 你怎么做的 No... how?
通过发现别人的秘密 By learning people's secrets
然后用在教宗面前揭露这些来恐吓他们 and threatening to reveal those secrets to the Pope.
一瓶杜松子酒不能说明我是酒鬼 One bottle of gin doesn't make an alcoholic of me.
是的 Agreed.
一瓶是不会 One bottle doesn't.
但是一整个酒店的酒会 But a whole liquor store full does.
谁告诉你我酗酒的？ Who told you I'm an alcoholic?
我忘记告诉你了 I forgot to confide in you
另一个经营教会的策略 another stratagem for running the Church:
不要告诉别人你的消息来源 Never reveal your sources.
如果有一些原因导致你必须说 伪装一下 And if for some reason you have to, make them up.
现在 我亲爱的伯纳多 Now, my very dear Bernardo,
我们不要再浪费时间了 let's not waste any more time.
你告诉我一些你和教宗互相说的那些 You tell me about the irrelevant things that you and the Pope say
不相关的事情 to each other
我绝不会告诉任何人这些事情是从你这里得知的 and I will never tell anyone that I got them from you.
而如果你拒绝告诉我 If on the other hand you refuse to tell me,
我会向教宗揭发你 I will reveal your serious problem to the Pope,
我会让你永远远离梵蒂冈 and I'll have you sent away from the Vatican once and for all.
而你 也将永远在这城墙之外 And you, outside of these walls,
你将变成一个迷失的人 因为你是一个充满畏惧的人 will be a lost man, because you are a fearful man.
你想要我说什么 What do you want me to say?
我们 我们没有说什么重要的事情 真的 We, we don't talk about anything of significance, really.
今天 例如 他带着怀旧之情告诉我 Today, for instance, he told me...
一些以前的 with some nostalgia
关于他以前还是一个孩子时的女朋友的事 about a girlfriend he had when he was just a kid.
你看 就是这样的事情 You see, things like that,
这就是他信任我的高度 that's the height of what he confides in me.
愚蠢的事情 Stupid, silly things.
我就知道 I knew it!
你知道什么了 阁下 What did you know, Your Eminence?
教会就是他的女人 That the Church is female!
圣父 我必须问你一个不得体的问题 Holy Father, I have to ask you a somewhat unseemly question.
我们之间没有不得体的问题 大人 There are no unseemly questions between you and me, Monsignor.
因为 因为我们互相尊重 Because... because you and I respect each other.
你的经历中还剩下些什么 What remained with you from your experience
和那个女孩 with the girl...
在加利福利亚 in California?
她的眼睛 The memory of her eyes.
首先 眼里充满了爱 At first, eyes full of love,
然后眼睛里又充满了失望 then later eyes full of disappointment.
这是重要的教训 And that was an important lesson.
我明白了我希望天主教徒是相爱的 I understood that I want Catholics in love
不想再从他们眼中看到失望 and I no longer want to see disappointment in their eyes.
再也不想 Never again.
不过 同时 Still, at the same time,
我偶然间的发现我自己都无法相信自己的话 I occasionally find myself unable to believe my own words.
我不相信我自己的想法 I don't believe my thoughts,
我不相信我的意志 I don't believe in my will,
我不相信我的能力 I don't believe in my abilities.
我发自内心的告诉你 大人 I'm speaking to you from the heart, monsignor.
有时 There are times...
很多时候 there are certain times,
或者说总是 or possibly always...
简而言之 有时候我不相信 In short, there are times when I don't believe.
有时我认为也许我把这一切留给沃伊洛 There are times when I think it might be better to leave it all
会更好 in Voiello's hands.
他知道怎么做这一切 He knows how to do things.
他相信他所说的 He believes in what he says.
他也相信上帝 And he still believes in God.
不 圣父 No, Holy Father.
不是的 No.
沃伊洛是一个政治家 Voiello is a politician.
您才是教宗 You are the Pope.